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DESTINY HARRIS: I do mean that. PAT: If Barbara had gotten to Destiny's birth mom, Destiny, Kalia, this moment, none of it would exist. This is what's called the slow growth period. That tongue is doing something to the DNA. Knock it right off the DNA. SAM KEAN: I guess the way I would look at it is that you can change your environment a lot more easily than you can change your genes. ROBERT: Okay. Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. What you see in the records, is that one year 100 liters. Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. ROBERT: Rewrite their their blueprint? I mean, they didn't have porridge. The results are obvious to you. I'm so proud and I have four years clean. Full disclosure, she's Robert's sister's partner. It's only the mechanisms are not so clear. 10 Controversial And Thought-Provoking 'Radiolab' Episodes. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when we're recording this, we have not broken the show. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." BARBARA HARRIS: And I was a waitress, I worked for IHOP for over 30 years. Then, Carl told us about this research that showed JAD: Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. I just didn't think. PAT: I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. ", SAM KEAN: "They can respond to the environment.". FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Yes, yes. In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. That's it. We travel to Ukraine to follow a shipment of abortion pills, and discover a complicated conversation about pregnancy and choice in wartime. Yeah. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. BARBARA HARRIS: I mean, I'm married to a Black man. Because we had already had to upgrade from a car to a van, from a condo to a home. Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. And he said, "Barbara, I'm not buying a school bus." ROBERT: That's Sam Kean again. Okay, you want to say bye? JAD: People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. We actually sent our friend, Pejk Malinovski, to the archives in Stockholm to check it out. He actually coined the word biology, too. Since birth. Meet Jeremiah! All right, I'll get in the water." ", PAT: In other words, "Could I pay women who have drug problems to stop having babies?". Take a look, explore and subscribe! So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. Sample Page; ; We talked to her for a little while and At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. He'd fall asleep and just wake up screaming. Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. BARBARA HARRIS: Aw, you blew him a kiss? This whole toad thing, to the Darwinian faction, it didn't scan really. And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. And I think that no, I didn't plan on it but I wouldn't take her back for anything because she made me better. Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. Well, I just want to eliminate drug-addicted babies from being born. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and chan Whole lifetime of stretching. OLOV BYGREN: Well It's one-fourth, we can we say. JAD: Not only that. According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. Your boys will first grow taller and taller for the next few years, and when they get to be about 9, 10 years old, they're going to stop growing just for a few years. ROBERT: And there were from the beginning. You know, just take a little peek for themselves, and every time Kammerer said no, they were his specimens. To build these terrariums and aquariums and stock them with animals. ROBERT: Remind me this. I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. And so, you could only see one nuptial pad, and it all comes down to thisand all of that was just about to fall apart. My mom needed a girl and, boop! [laughs[ Exactly. What exactly happens between 9 to 12 that makes this big difference? But the story he told us begins around 25 years ago. That kind of 30 years? She started to wish again that she could have a daughter. Like have you ever had one of those moments where you suddenly are your dad and it catches you off guard? It's against the rules. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. The little baby that we keep hearing in the background of everything. It was this struggle for a few years. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. Olov told us, take heart disease. CARL ZIMMER: To build these terrariums and aquariums and stock them with animals. Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. ROBERT: Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. That you can, somehow, by just being nice to them, reading them stories, or whatever, that you can somehow break them free of all that. This is from 2002. We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over time. Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. Radiolab's broadcast edition airs as an hour-long program each week while the . Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. The way she saw it, the state, the federal government, somebody Should say, "You're not doing this. ROBERT: Is that what you're saying? That's how I've always looked at it. ROBERT: But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. CARL ZIMMER: You know, the fact is that taking care of animals, trying to keep them alive in a building is not an easy thing, especially if it's 1903. Were told. Yeah, there you go. Radiolab believes your ears are a portal to another world. The kingdom archive. LYNN PALTROW: I think I was really horrified and terrified. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: At once and we're watching 40 litters at a time. So we did stop. Okay, and then I just had to accept it. DESTINY HARRIS: Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. PAT: But a year later, the social worker called again. I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. I mean, when you look at the records, you don't see huge spikes in mortality. Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. Are you nine? PAT: Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. I'm trying to remember. I know what I'll do, I'm going to set up a terrarium for them and I'm going to make it hot, really uncomfortably hot. But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. The results are obvious to you. Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. A little village? JAD: And thats wrong [laughs].Thats not how it works. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. I'm graduating in December. When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. Lynn has become one of Barbara's fiercest critics. On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. CARL ZIMMER: Well, there was an expert on reptiles named G. Kingsley Noble. PAT: But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. But here's what I did not know about DNA. It happens. At this really marvelous place called the Vivarium. Find ratings and reviews for the newest movie and TV shows. Stick around. JAD: I know! ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I didn't say I'm God. Also, thanks to Carl Zimmer whose latest is Evolution: Making Sense of Life. ROBERT: Because the Soviets, they believe in Karl Marx's idea that human beings were an improvable species, that if you can change the conditions around people, you change the people. PAT: But at that point just two of the six boys were living at home, Brian and Rodney. SAM KEAN: This was a really, really big effect. This, of course, is Destiny. SAM KEAN: Because theyre reaching for the tops of trees. Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. OLOV BYGREN: The results are quite obvious. Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. I guess the way I would look at it is that you can change your environment a lot more easily than you can change your genes. The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. Tell me what your image of a drug-using pregnant woman is. BARBARA HARRIS: That's how we ended up with four of them. [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. Big questions are. He was really one of the first grand theorists in biology. The sneaky idea here is that the blacksmiths, the giraffes, they made it happen. That the licking is changing the baby's DNA? Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? Then, Carl told us about this research that showed Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. JAD: [expletive] That was awesome. This is spooky because it's like JAD: It means what if grandpa has a bad day? And um BARBARA HARRIS: I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. SAM KEAN: He extended this idea to people. Its an idea thats been kicking around for me since my kids were born. As he's doing his rounds, he stops by the midwife toad terrarium, he looks down at that little male toad with grapes stuck to his legs and he wonders, "How adaptable is that little guy?" PAT: Because when a woman uses heroin while she's pregnant, the fetus gets hooked on it too. ROBERT: Do you know anything about the other four? He's not even eating at all. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. PAT: And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. She asked my opinion and that's what I'm giving. ROBERT: But luckily for the Vivarium and for our story, they had a guy. Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, Radiolab is a " show about curiosity " that examines science, history, and philosophy to answer the big questions about life. Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. PAT: I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. Just a little. PAT: The way she saw it, the state, the federal government, somebody BARBARA HARRIS: Should say, "You're not doing this. No, she was an oops kid. A little village? Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. PAT: Could you just tell us what you are doing now? ROBERT: Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. [laughs[ So yeah, it's embarrassing, but I believe everything happens for a reason. And Barbara is not offering that. There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. ", And I called my husband again at work and said, "They want to know if we want to take the baby." And so, you could only see one nuptial pad, and it all comes down to thisand all of that was just about to fall apart. And he was going through withdrawal. JAD: Plus, you know, Lamarck didn't get all the biological details right. ROBERT: Okay, so lets get going and stick with your boy, Lamarck, just for a sec. BARBARA HARRIS: And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. So yeah, she keeps me busy. DESTINY HARRIS: Yes. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. And I think that no, I didn't plan on it but I wouldn't take her back for anything because she made me better. I mean, he hates water. ], What's the worst thing you have been called by one of your critics?]. So FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: So we start looking at maternal care. Now the Sweden story from our last segment left us both feeling a little strange. [laughs] Can you say, "Never, ever?" When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. SAM KEAN: And so, they just had to hold on for the entire winter. "She's born and tested positive for PCP crack and heroin." SAM KEAN: Because it would reflect badly on the Soviet state. JAD: Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. I mean, when you think of Kammerer, there was a report in science outlining a theory about how Kammerer's toads got these characteristics that invoked these epigenetic inheritance and imprinted genes and it made it plausible. I said, "This will be the last one. You know? He was miserable to look at. That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. Just to be sure, we asked Frances Champagne what she thinks of this data. Apparently, those grandkids SAM KEAN: Were less prone to diabetes. Riksarkivet. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. Because, you know, that Ive got these two kids, right? Serotonin gets into the brain cells, and according to Michael unleashes A whole series of molecular events inside the cell. See, this is the story of science that doesn't get told. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. It might be a mixture. And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. [laughs] Can you say, "Never, ever?" And in one day, we can imagine, he gets curious. SAM KEAN: And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? It goes back to the 1800s. Suddenly you're marked. BARBARA HARRIS: They were seven and eight at the time. Like. People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. 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