Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. At times, one would pull the other back from the brink. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. substance to it. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Right, right. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. He's a little bleary eyed, but. Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. 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(Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. The. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. He didnt know what to make of it then. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. "We never expected it. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. They told us that they'd found the body. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. Shirley. And we, would have agreed to anything. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. They would go to Pennsylvania to . She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. Cpl. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. The Bagbys were 4,500 miles from home. Go away.'. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. Mother a murderer. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. They dated for about a year before leaving Canada. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. One of the best books that I have ever read. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. I had lovely family. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. But two months later, that would change, after Shirley appealed, again to be released on bail. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? whose parents are charged with a violent crime. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! "They are appalled and outraged.". The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. I was at work and the receptionist said you have a call from the Sunnyvale police, says Kate, then a nurse practitioner in obstetrics and gynecology at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. IMDbPro Starmeter. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. They're like, `What do you mean?' I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Next: Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. My gut just churned. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). It would take two weeks. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? Mommy loves you. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. I said, `This woman was in town. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. It is absolutely heartbreaking. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. After trying to make things work for a while, the pair realized they wouldn't be able to overcome all the negativity and obstacles that developed in their relationship after their time onTemptation Island. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. Change is slow. More than a month passed before Turner was finally arrested in Canada on December 21 but, within hours she was out on bail until she could be extradited to the US. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. He was jolly.. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). That word closure? Please try again. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. You were done. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. MORRISON: Police got Shirley Turner on the phone back in Iowa. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. I mean, the best man is really the groom. He was developing a personality. I got to go to the trial. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' Really? I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. Meeting her at 6. I'm absolutely sure. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Why? Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. to reconsider getting some help with that. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. Or it's in the car. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. "This was our goal," said Bagby. Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. Did anybody want to take them? David says. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. I suggest you keep any heavy items out of reach because you will want to throw them at the television screen & a box of tissues because you will need them. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. And he'd be like(turns. KATE: I had a great childhood. By Mike Cassidy | Bay Area News Group. Please try again. "Every time I saw Shirley I'd think, 'That's the finger that pulled the trigger on the gun that killed Andrew,'" says Kate. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. He and his wife also participated in a. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. I had this overwhelming feeling. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? As always you can unsubscribe at any time. She was coming here to take care of me. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Zachary, how's our baby today? After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? Someone found a car that didn't belong. 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